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Such a wonderful game, held on the worst hands, of a greedy data selling moron.
Is it online only ?
Lol may as well uninstall steam bud. And find a new hobby
Ksp is a single player mod
Yup but do you require permanent connection to play it ? Offline.
It doesnt require internet its a single player game offline...
Oh honestly youre posting this on imgur which does the same. Dont hate on kerbal man
So offline. So you can just block the frak all comms to take 2.
Also i meant singleplayer game not mod. Just woke up lol
Steam is too big to care about you as anything other than a set of numbers, KSP on the other hand... who knows...
Nope, if it caches information, the moment you go online it will send it. (Check your windows tasks to see if it generated one?)
well to be fair I posted this on imgur so that I could post it to reddit. Wait.
Block KSP and or Take 2 processes on any firewall (i don't have the game) Unless it takes all via Steam and mandatory update.
So you have no reason to complain. Plus you don't have to be online for KSP.
You don't have to be online, but it can transmit data whenever you do go online. But at least the information I put on imgur/reddit is 1/2
Put on there willingly and with full knowledge of my doing so, as opposed to KSP. 2/2
To the mun alice
They still have all your info aswell. Unless you buy steam gift cards
Tbh i dont care about any of that. Its not like people cant get your info anyways.
The mun ????
Theres some post about it. Imgur tracks the shit out of you.
Could embrace the fact that if you've ever been on the internet, have a passport or been seen on CCTV camera, gov will know who you are
and what's to stop anyone if they used Donald Trump's name, age and address at the white house? lol
Take 2 is fucking huge
Should I care?
Game not mod
Lol you people think it's just this game...
Uh.. what personal information is there to get from the game?.. Or does it actively scan your drive or something?
That sucks I bought that game and kept wanting to play it. If that is true I am hesitant now.
In Europe tracking you in games is illegal if I remember correctly
Sooo, just pop it into it’s own vm
Apparently it’s legal to do anything, so long as you send them a notice saying you’re going to. “By using our service you agree to be raped”
KSP has had anonymous data collection since before beta folks. First time you start the game it asks if you are okay with this.
This is the attitude that allows this behavior to persist. "They will get it if they want it so might as well not even try."
Kerbal Spy Program.
I'm pretty sure this violates the EU's new GDPR and can end-up banned for it.
Right now I'm having to write functionality for a restaurant's site to delete user information on demand to comply with it. This is worse!
Iirc, it has to do with the engine they use. The engine has that in the EULA, so all games made with it have to include it as well.
There have been a staggering number of data breaches in recent history, nevermind whether or not I want Take2 and affiliates to have this.
w o k e
Doesn't require internet connection to play.
This could very easily be related to the EU's new GDPR regulations that are coming into effect May 25th. These are global regs where (1/x)
I just blocked outgoing connections with my firewall. I don't think there is any risk, but yknow.
Any online company with friendly relations to the EU must be able to be accountable and on request clear any data related to the user (2/x)
This may ironically imply that they need to gather more data about you in order to fufill these requests.
Hardly. It's just common sense and being able to read.
Applicable on Steam only I guess..if you get our game somewhere else well you know *cough cough*
The fines are massive for non-compliance. €20Mil or 4% of annual profits, whichever is worse
It is not a mod, it is a standalone game, as well as it is a fully single-player offline game.
Lots of people will says a lot of eula's do the same. That doesn't make any of them not terrible for invasion of privacy.
Let's try not to distribute false information. KSP, or Kerbal Space Program is not a mod rather a standalone title.
As evidenced by the link it's "just" a standard Take2 EULA. They probably just write that everywhere to cover their asses, just in case.
In the game, they don't use real names. The earth analog is Kerbin, it has 2 moons. The near one is an analog for the moon, called mun
I assume it is a standard EULA they use across all their games and isn't tailored to KSP. Therefore not everything applies hence the "may"..
"may collect" data, Unless you use the KSP store to buy the game they most likely won't have personal details like you name, address, etc
Time to start playing Astroneer.
That said, I don't know what Steam would share with them, so I could be wrong.
What if you don't see it? Don't you have to agree to this? KSP has been installed on my pc atleast a year and i have not seen this before
If Steam do pass on that info when you buy the game, then doesn't matter if accept the EULA or not as they would already have the data.
Let me guess, they're not satisfied with a button that activates a simple stored procedure that deletes rows?
It's not ready yet, but the lawyer hasn't come-up with the text for the ToS either, so I've got some time. Plus they've had 2 years.
And the other one is solid mint ice cream.
It's only last month that they said we need to do this, and I've had other priorities.
I didn't realize there was a government in the EU that offered programming services :P
Pretty sure it starts the day you're born. In the states, what do you think a social security number is.
There isn't. They just require that we do it or pay fines. Well, our customer pays fines. It's not our fault they didn't order the changes.
Building a rocket right into your wallet.
Weren't they the pieces of shit that tried banning modding on GTA 5 and what not?
EULAs can say literally anything they want, but they're not legally binding. You can't make people sign over their rights, if anyone --
-- were to actually bother taking this to court the KSP devs would 100% lose.
Heck, it's a normal part of the Unity engine...
Also, loving how people are starting to actually reject this sort of bullshit. Corporate greed shouldn't have ever grown to what it is today
Ok so how does this end? Black Mirror or that Orville episode?
Bigger than a facebook?
I too left it set idle for more than a year. Totally regreted not giving it a try sooner. KSP raises the bar so much for the word "game".
Actually it is not. Any agreement or contract is void if it breaches the law. It is illegal to rape people, so even if it would be in some//
That's pretty much where I'm at with it. I need more sunlight anyway.
user agreement, it would be illegal to do that. Dura lex sed lex.
I mean, our privacy is screwed already everywhere, it's not like take2 will ruin our lives any more.
Collecting user data so hot right now. They might put it just in case or in case they actually collect and sell user data.
tracking in general is illegal.
I play the drm-free, steam-free version and KSP is not permitted through the firewall so they get nothing from me. But not a good precedent.
Read the post, this is not anonymous data and they make you agree to it to play/download the game. No opting out like before.
I guess it's time to crack the game, block/remove/fool the spyware and distribute it over torrent websites like thepiratebay.
isnt Windows it self already doing that shit since ages?
"you consent to the information collection and usage terms set forth... in the US and other countries located outside Europe."
Banned from what? Punishment if found to be violating GDPR is something like 10% of your company's income.
I think this is a response to a new rule in the US where you have to explicitly state you are tracking data.
Exactly :) If they were after you, you'd know... Not worth worrying about unless you're up to no good.
I won't check the specifics here but you agreeing to let them change the terms was probably part of the previous version.
I did read the post. Its a bunch of tinfoil hat bullshit because people got their knickers in a twist over TakeTwo. The only thing ...
Hardcore KSP players would see very little equivalency between KSP and Astroneer.
Banned from Steam in Europe. Valve may find that to be an easier solution to avoid problems with regulators.
This is not anonymous data collection.
That's changed is that a different bunch of lawyers wrote the same shit that was there before.
I wish... also: EFF.org
Hijacking the top comment to promote EFF.org . This organization is dedicated to your rights on the internet and this might fall under that.
Oh no, KSP is going to have access to all my steam data?!?! wait.. yeah that sounds about right? Why are you fuckheads panicking, exactly?
Once hilariously said "You have nothing to hide so do you mind if I watch you take a shit?"
Why willing give your information away? Also, be intelligent with what information you do share. Nothing is perfect, but be safer.
You're pretty sure? Can I ask on a scale of 10 to fuckall, how much do you know about GDPR?
My harddrive just got 3.3GB freed up.
I suggest having a look for jobs with other companies. They wait until the last minute to comply with a law from 2016...
So ya fucknuggets, I just ran KSP 1.4.2 (latest version). It was using a whopping NOTHING of my internet. Case closed.
*Europeanly reinstalls KSP*
You're right. But there are plenty of option created by other users to disable tracking.
The game company shouldn't have access to data stored in steam sync?
About 1. Only that if you store names/addresses/phones you have to allow the user to purge it all from your system on demand.
It's not implying that. They just got forced by the GDPR to actually add such a note to their game, they probably collected data before too.
This is just because of the new GDPR in Europe. They have to state exactly what they store and for what. This isn't even that bad, you (1/2)
The European Union. Loathed, mocked...and the last bastion of Human Rights on this planet.
Changing the EULA doesn't make it spyware. No evidence it's actually collecting or sending any info, just the corp-standard EULA 1/2
should see the things some companies store on you. I've seen lists with 500 individual items - name, sexual preference, shoe size, bank
The governments hate competition.
*laughs in secret*
They are if you can prove it works during audits. The gdpr does not force technical implementation, only the functionality
I mean, watch updates carefully now, in case behavior changes, but it's more of a "storm watch" than a "seek uninstall now" 2/2
Shitnuggets, man, I haven't run the game in a long while. I paid for it when Squad was running the show...
How would it be rape if you gave consent? /s
Now i gotta do research. See if this bullshit is true. Try an get my money back, maybe.
Tell that to Facebook and Google and etc etc etc
Gotta love how this has so many upvotes despite being pretty much 100% false.
You're all commenting on spyware, by using spyware, that you probably signed into from your spyware account.
I uninstalled this game a long time ago, when Squad made the decision to outsource the modding community to Curse. Its been doomed since.
This is only true if you have the resources to object.
So Apple ISN'T going to sow me and two other people ass-to-mouth? That's a relief.
Hey Hey, guys, calm down. We still have EA.
Considering he built KSP off stolen code to begin with, can anybody be surprised by this dick move?
That's why learning to fact check is important, too much bullshit going around the internet these days.
The law is a minor incentive rail/inconvenience to big corporations. Not much of an actual hindrance.
You're talking about the ones doing delta-v calcs and orbital mechanics calculations, right?
Oh my god that is beautiful.
you know how small a single data packet with 2-3 lines of texts is? your computer won't even bother reporting it.
You know how steam uses several times that by simply existing?
Those damn rich treehugging hippies with their free education and college, healthcare, socialcare, their consumer rights and protection.
that's exactly my point, the change from a single, specific data transfer would in indistinguishable from background traffic
And that's why the enemies of the EU dislike facts.
" you consent to the data collection ... in ... us and other countries outside of europe..." so it is not even active for europe
Well this will be great when Borderlands 3 comes out...
Or part of the requirement, Everyone is required to tell the users because they were too stupid too read the fine print in the first place.
I'm pretty sure this is in the EULA just to put a braud blanket over data collection so they are legally safe if their crash 1/2
The updated EULA is required because end users are too stupid to understand that using something on the net might transmit "some" data, and
Reporter picks something up. Most games have something g like this in it, it's nothing new
The average user clicks "I agree" on more than legalese that takes more than a year to read through 24/7 by average human reading speed.
that data could be anything that is entered by a user and captured by a log. the verbiage is required to cover there asses
*Laughs in European*
Not reading a fuckton of incomprehensible legalities doesn't make users stupid.
Still, I think this could just be resolved rationally and calmly (boring, I know) by just sending a mail to Take2 or the KSP devs (1/2)
Although the EULA is pretty evil, it's fairly easy to block the game's access to data without hindering functionality.
Game was already in the hands of greedy Devs before they all took their money and abandoned it. I bought it during version 0.12
It should work just fine while completely blocked in the Windows or Linux firewall, or even the network disabled.
(2/2) instead of summoning a shitstorm over something potentially harmless.
That's a 20 million € fine or 4% of their total revenue, whichever is larger :)
It probably sends back data at specific time intervals, it's not a constant open connection...
After the south park "i-agreed-by-accident" i started reading them, it doesn't take as long as you make it out to be.
Fortunately it's becoming increasingly the case that such EULAs aren't enforceable in court :)
That has literally fuck all to do with any of this
yes.. and less than 1% of users use it
As far as Ive seen users only need to be able to view the data you have, not have the ability to purge it
iirc it was an anonymous data collection for bugs finding/fixing
Honestly you should do this for every game or piece of software that you don't specifically need going online.
Meaning basically every KSP player?
Uninstall, download pirated version
Freedom of speech is way worse in EU than in US. You get jailed for simply not believing holocaust or training your dog to salute.
go ahead, uninstall it. might as well uninstall a bunch of other online games and windows while you're at it
Give them an inch, they'll take a mile, or however the saying goes in English. You think this is OK, they'll slowly start collecting more.
Yup, and if you said no, you could still play the game.
It's not. Particularly not in the EU. The current data protection law is pretty extensive and has a massive fine associated with breaking it
Glad I didn’t buy it now. Thanks op.
Your computer absolutely will report any traffic if you are tracking packets.
It's a horrible accident. It was never meant to be used for identifying people, it just kind of happened.
Eh doubt the buck stops there on responsibility.This is likely a twisted means of GDPR compliance anyway, ALL online companies are preparing
As of 1.4.0 the game no longer allows you to opt out.
Yup, also the pieces of shit who said they "under monetizing their users."
Please remember that collecting / safely storing / using / selling these data is all different.
pfffft, no, you can turn down the realism settings and the game doesn't narc on you. At least it didn't used to.
You should probably reread the EFF article: "stop using PGP for encrypted email and switch to a DIFFERENT SECURE COMMUNICATIONS" 1/2
I wonder, why 4%? Who did they bargain with to get the 4%? Why not 5%?
Idk what part of europe you live in but we can say whatever the fuck we want, fuck the government and fuck the king
As well as your article has one expert who says its safe versus many experts referenced in the EFF articles. 2/2
Bingo. "you consent to the information collection and usage terms set forth... in the US and other countries located outside Europe."
I'm sure you didn't even TRY to read the linked article. I know what they did/recommend, I know what mainstream media did with that.
Alright Imma share with why this bullshit pisses me off. A few months ago TakeTwo Interactive acquired Squad, which means they acquired KSP.
From the EULA "you consent to the information collection and usage terms set forth... in the US and other countries located outside Europe."
People have had knickers twisted about that because some big GTA mod got taken down and they didn't want the KSP modding community to...
Someone's been reading conservative propaganda. Tut tut.
No the expert does NOT say EVERYTHING is safe. That's fake news.
To be fair, All the information that the EULA says they can collect is in all likelihood already held by facebook or google, Nowhere is safe
That is one way to distort the life choices of other people.
It would be hard to get your photo, phone number, stuff like that, but they can easily get your IP and your location.
Those are good reasons to be jailed. You cant fuck around with nazis
Pirate the old version and keep playing it. Fuck 'em.
What the Fuck? Not true. Not true at all. You can believe in whatever you want and do unethical things as long as they don't hurt anyone.
Implode too. But it hasn't, even with the recent DLC. But with the generic TT EULA they finally found something they can bitch about.
You can't design a ship in Astroneer, You can't pilot a ship in Astroneer, You can't have crew, There's no major mods, How is it similar?
The EFF article clearly outlines the issue. Period. At this point you're just mad due to being wrong and didn't do your research. 3/2
Is there any indication that the program actively tries to gather data - or is it more a blanket EULA to cover information entered 1/2
And throwing around the word spyware like theres a sale is a good way to get the game review bombed.
They excluded europe in this data gathering festival. I don't know about saltyinternetpirate, but I can guarantee it is illegal in europe :p
anywhere at TakeTwo shops, forums or uploaded for console profiles etc. pp.? 2/2
I'm on about 8 due to having to know about it for work.
You don't collect it just for the heck of it.
You can believe whatever you want in Germany, but you're not allowed to publicly deny the FACT that the holocaust happened.
KSP is the best game out there, this makes me sad
GDPR gives all individuals the right to be forgotten, after the 25th of May companies will have to delete personal information if asked
long live pc gaming
now propaganda ecosystem
You (e.g.!) collect it because it's payment info. Which maybe stored with affiliates. AND this was written by lawyers, 1/2
Ahh one of the few who know the real story.
AND YES, having said all this, we need to be vigilant. 2/2
Take 2 should be the ones getting fucked over for it
Do you know what the only and literally the only payment information my company needs is? "order 54028 paid succesfully"
Either way, you're writing off an entire organization that has spent MILLIONS in donations to protect your privacy and security.
DO go on with your ad hominem attacks, sweet downvote fairy.
Something about ~6 million Jews being massacred, plus millions more in a total war, etc might be their reasoning. Seems fair
It happened in Scotland. telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/09/nazi-pug-man-arrested-after-teaching-girlfriends-dog-to-perform/
It happened in Scotland. telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/09/nazi-pug-man-arrested-after-teaching-girlfriends-dog-to-perform/
More something you aren't required to read since they rarely hold up in court
I'm kinda sorta sure the IRS will disagree with you (in case you're an US citizen). And how will you adress warranty 1/2
Which is against free speech.
issues when you don't have a payment date / customer info? 2/2
argumentum ad logicam
I wonder where I said that. Could you help me out?
Warranty, on online purchases of data? Regardless if anyone wants to prove anything their bank statement gives the same order number.
The irs allows for anonymous purchases, or do you have to ID for every bread you buy in the supermarket? not that I am from the US.
that's why I kept my old versions before updating, steam might still allow rollback to older versions like 1.3
I dunno. On the other hand, I was pretty sure we were talking about the realism settings of KSP.
Well it's not the devs doing this.
You spoke about YOUR company. I didn't realize that you own a company dealing in online purchases of data. Sorry for the misunder- 1/2
A man was arrested for what was, under Scottish law, a hate crime. He was not jailed. So no, you don't get jailed for that.
standing, thought you were selling mundane stuff or being a craftsman. 2/2
I JUST started playing again after thousands of hours.
Additionally, damn fucking right people get arrested for hate crimes and racism.
True. It is relative to what you already share here, other sites, and expose already. But it still doesn't make it right.
You spend time in a jail, whether you've been convicted or not, you've been jailed.
Plus it doesn't matter how he was punished it's in direct violation of free speech.
Funny how people have been shouting the EU has no freedom of speech and the only examples they bring are: An example from a country that 1/2
I strongly hope that this is a joke, else I'm sorry to say you're as dumb as a retarded rock.
is leaving the EU and not being allowed to deny the holocaust in Germany. 2/2
Which is leaving the EU.
Both actually, (also not my my company, just one I work at) but this is also about digital goods. They need nothing.
It's not about opinion. It's about stating a falsehood as truth which is so wicked that it endangers the public peace.
As it is pretty much with any noncriminal law and partially criminal ones too.
I wonder if I play from the US but connected to a European VPN if it’ll upload...
In direct violation of /US/ free speech laws. The rest of the world doesn't give a shit what the US thinks. Sorry.
You mean a 20 million dollar fine, or (I think) it was 5% of their annual income (Whichever is higher) is not a hindrance?
Again, you're applying US law to other countries. And I think Germany has the right to be touchy about Nazis and the Holocaust, no?
(i) I'm all for fewer data in their systems (ii) Because of laws, their EULA needs language adressing instances where they DO have data.
Sure, but when that language specifically states foto, or phone number.. that is by default too much data.
I've skimmed that in passing and think (!) that adresses their Facebook page. You can decide not to use Facebook / what to share there.
KSP has built-in cheats. No crash damage, infinite fuel/elec.,. or just put yourself into any orbit or any body.
Sure, you can also choose what to gather. If all security and privacy relied on the knowledge of those using the systems without rules... >
> well that would be a world that would suck living in right? How could one expect another to know everything there is to know.
If I were their lawyer, I'd have them put in in there. In this day and time. In my early days, the contract for opening a current 1/2
account in Germany: 1/2 page. Today: Pages upon pages in small script. In legalese. Improvement for me as customer: Zero!
Rjäh rjäh rjäh!
But you are not their only customer, somewhere someone can both read legalese, and is a consumer. Strength, in numbers.. and while I agree >
> that is in no way a guarantee. It beats the living shit out of every alternative.
So religion is illegal in Germany?
Denying that holocaust happened is an opinion like denying that Earth is not flat. Do you also jail flat Eathers?
some great games have problems like these (Sonic mania is a good example)
But I CAN read legalese. I adore those US contracts governing loans, with >100 pages each. Had to do with them professionally. Did some 1/2
Standards of freedom apply to every country regardless of their history. Do you also defend communist China jailing dissidents?
personal contracts a few weeks ago, was forced to sign umpteen times, understood it all. Most of it didn't improve my situation compared 2/3
So because someone in history killed 6 million Jews, that makes it right to jail people who just don't believe it?
to the contracts that goverened the "situation" before. Profit goes to gladhanding politicians, consultants and lawyers. Rant over :-) 3/3
Being pro freedom of speech means also defending the right to speak out opinions you don't agree with.
The real way to beat these things is this...create fake profiles. Let them collect misleading data.
I think we agree in principle, if not on the details. Peace :-)
How does denying holocaust *hurt* anyone?
Making holocaust denial legal did such great things in the United States.....
No, but the shitty regime doing that shit hasn't died. If china gets past it and tries to be better THEN I would defend them.
If you are pro freedom of speech you will also defend the right to speak out things you don't agree with.
I'm so goddamn sick of this shit.
Sure, shit happens. Is that really worse than having no rules though and just letting the same lawyers etc, who have already proven to be >
Also, the command for it was 'gas the Jews'. Damn fucking right that's a hate crime. Jesus, the US will adamantly defend its right to 1/
> quite good at writing shit make rules that basically state "we get to shit all over you because you have no goverment protection lol"
be shitty to each other, then whine about socialised healthcare while your government destroys your countryside. Sort your priorities out. 2
On May 25th, all tracking without explicit, active consent will be illegal with fines up to 4% of global revenue (or 20 million). Also, 1/2
Sorry I don't buy into your moral relativism theory. You are either pro freedom of speech or you aren't. Your history doesnt give you a pass
The law also doesnt allow for the discrimination of users who say 'No' to being tracked. That EULA is a death sentence for a global business
Can I use vpn while playing steam games? Will this help? I already have one but I know buying games with a vpn to get cheaper is bannable
If he'd trained his dog to dance to the command 'burn the n*ggers', would you still be defending him?
Good thing I have a cracked version. No updates!
This is actually likely the new EULA to deal with the new EU laws. The lawyers saw that they were sharing high scores and such, and tried
20 million and 4% (or 10 million and 2% depending on the act). This would be a 4% level.
to make sure they have no legal problems.
You know how opinions work right?
Take exactly five seconds to imagine the international political shitstorm if a nazi takes office in germany again. Get why they do it?
You took out words that you couldn't take out there. That isn't what they said. The US and countries out of Europe bit was where they sellit
If a Nazi takes office in Germany, that means the so called Nazi would have majority public support. You don't like democracy suddenly?
I'm fairly certain taking out that middle bit changed the terms to mean what you think they mean.
How exactly does opinion *work*?
Boy you sure like to stretch arguments. That is in no way anything close to what I said. Also you don't need majority public support 1/2
but it seems that any explanation why would be a bit too challenging for you. Since you barely understand anything it seems. 2/2
But don't worry, I don't blame you for not wanting to even try and answer a hard question. Better to just attempt a blatant fallacy.
That does not change the fact that your entire belief on this is based on literally two extreme examples.
Scandinavian countries seem to be doing pretty fuckin good
It's okay, dude. They'd rather complain that we can't talk shit about Jews than notice the actual issue in this post, ie. that they 1/
have shitty privacy laws and their lawmakers aren't going to change that. 2/2
As much as I'm against promoting pirating games, would a pirated version block access to this information?
To be in a German government office you would need to form a majority coalition cabinet, which would require majority of votes.
I'm afraid boy, you are the one spamming fallacies here, from Godwins, ad hitlerum, emotional appeal or just simply pathetic adhoms.
Government protection is great. Remember, I'm from Germany, where we see that as an asset. But I want it to be sensible. I didn't find 1/2
You are defending jailing people purely based on their opinions, your belief here is the extreme one, not mine.
More someone"s" (complicit nations), it was a catastrophe for the continent, and stopping it from happening again is what this about.
half, but they still rolled all their votes together to form a majority, technically, but this can absolutely mean that a new Nazi party 2/
omfg another one, you clearly don't know how EULAs or spyware works, Socialmedia/google/microsoft is all spyware
Please read my comments again and then come back.
Except you'll arrest a Scotsman for making a nazi joke saying it promotes nazi ideas...
I mean you could just turn off your internet while playing the game
either. In a way, "the olden days" were better: "Thou shalt not kill" was a clear rule ... ;-) 3/3
could get into power via coalition despite having only, say, 30% of votes, or even fewer. So no. It doesn't require majority voting. 3/3
You stop from happening by education, discussion, or just simply proving them wrong. Jailing your opponents just proves you are the Nazi.
Nazi's were already brought up, go read what ad hitlerum actually is, what emotional appeal? "internation political shitstorm" isn't 1/2
EULAs often contain a bit about "subject to change". That makes the user technically responsible to keep up to date.
Ye sure, but then people like you (no offense, you said you read lawyerese ;) ) came by and said "But that leaves room for maiming! lezgo!"
Please read my comments again and then come back.
Y'all know they have a single EULA for every game, right? KSP has no online components unless you mod it to have them.
Always have to double check as a Swiss because we are not in the EU but in Europe. Sigh
You're right though. These people can't stop themselves from getting angry because they want to project fantasies onto other countries.
emotional, that is literally what would happen, and yes I insulted you. Because this is imgur, not a congressional debate. 2/2
Whose code was stolen? First I've heard of this.
Irrelevant. You CANNOT track or otherwise collect information on EU citizens under a whole bunch of laws which you can do without issue >>
on US citizens. Doing so will fuck you royally. In the same sense that the return policy in the EU is 10x more solid and secure than the US.
See kid that's your problem. You don't respect people having different opinions, then you get butthurt. How typical of*democratic socialist
KSP is sold through a few non-Steam channels.
Good question. In theory no, in practice they might simply read that you have a us account/zip code and assume you're us based
Respect is not something given out freely to everything. All ideas are not worthy of respect inherently.
So you don't respect freedom of speech or people pro freedom of speech? Well, how typical of a socialist.
Ah yes, the EU where "freedom isn't guaranteed"...and as usual is 10x better than the US. Life is good
See the current US government for how well that is going (in other fields). I'm explaining how it is and a reasoning, not my opinion
Be that as it may, new EU law makes this entire thing forbidden to start with. Breach of it is 20 mil fine + 4% of global revenue
Quality of education is a major problems in US. You are just proving my point.
*Laughs in EuroUnion*
That's why it's "Outside Europe" ;) So they don't go against EU law at all.
what is everyone hiding, a FBI agent could move in with me and id care less, i got like 2 downloaded porn vids maybe a few hot pics about it
Oh yeah, I agree that it won't stand with EU law. I just don't think that's what they mean in the terms and conditions.
Depends where you are. US? No. EU? Yes. The US only has protection laws for those with the money to pay for it.
Again with the stretching your arguments. How typical of "pro freedom of speech" people to not have an argument and just throw moral claims.
Just pirate it now then. They can't get your information then!
Free college? Haha! I wish!
Yes, but I would like to see how they track that. IP's are useless as VPN's are a thing, I can bring my laptop to the EU from the US.
So people have a problem with sharing your info with governments. Proplem is every reputable website you goto has this claim in there. 1/
Even Imgur has it. If we receive a subpoena or other legal process requiring us to disclose whatever information we may have about you 2/
we may have no choice but to do so. 3/
I'm just pissy about the origins, this was long before Take 2 came into the equation.
What's happening with these commas?
I'm fairly certain it doesn't.
Can Hewlett Packard do that with their " updates " ?
Your argument against freedom of speech is that a Nazi COULD be elected into office. Which is idiotic argument made by a 11y old kid.
Find me any game publisher EULA that words their privacy and data collection criteria as virulent as take-two i fucking dare you.
literally 105€ per 6 months in Germany :D yay us
rape is a bad example because you are consenting if you sign so not rape then.
well tbf it was 150€ per semester for me. but that gave me a free public transport ticket for the entire state
plus, included: you can use the subway from 6pm to 4:30am during the week + entire weekend for free.
Well first of all, do they actually track anything at all? IS this more for the possibility of an ACCIDENT that would result in a lawsuit?
Even if someone says things that you don't agree with, if they're not actually hurting anyone, it's not the government's job to step in.
Even if someone says things that you don't agree with, if they're not actually hurting anyone, it's not the government's job to step in.
I think most EULA's themselves are void within EU.
no one went to jail. he was ARRESTED. Very different thing.
They're not gone yet, so they're still part of the EU.
Such a great game ruined by money hungry fuckwads...
Well, I haven’t played in a while, so I might just not update now.
I'll hand you a +1 and leave it at that :-)
It doesn't matter if he was being racist, he wasn't actually hurting anyone, so it's not a hate crime. He's a dick but shouldn't be arrested
Thats not europe, thats norway. The only country in europe not in the EU.
When in rome, do like the romans do
no, that's germany. heartland and center of the EU
This has been beaten to death in the KSP community, seriously, it's been discussed, analyzed and more for the past 2 months: 1/?
Yeah. People should write their own OS and not rely on companies /s. You have a point, though.
You're not going to get more information because it's already been fucking explained: it's the standard TakeTwo EULA, and no change in 2/?
game's functionality has been made to harvest information. The game does not go through the files on your system, the game does not 3/?
require any input of data other than a Steam account or purchase information (depending on how you bought it). KSP is not spyware. 4/?
One more thing that makes me think I need an internet-free computer for solo gaming.
It does not do any intrusive function barring gameplay statistics and geographic location while it is running (which is among the 5/?
mildest of intrusions) assuming you're connected to the Internet at the same time. This is basically the difference between "We reserve 6/?
the right to refuse service" and actively refusing everyone service. The TT2 EULA says "We reserve the right to use your 7/8
data", but KSP, barring what was previously stated does not actively harvest your data, thus: not spyware. Just a crappy EULA at worst. 8/8
Squad too! Damnit.
Human freedoms are not invention of US legal system. That's why China or NK are criticize despite not being US. Sorry.
Wow...another level of stupid but I fail to see how it makes your point relevant. This dude just broke the law. Article on BBC is better btw
Issue of freedom of speech isn't about talking shit about Jews. Imagine if your government just jailed you for this post, would you like it?
I'm so amazed at the people still trying to make a victim out of him.
The fact you try to downplay someone being arrested by government just for teaching his dog a Nazi salute speaks volumes of your ethics.
*and IP address while
Teaching your dog a nazi salute is a good reason to be jailed? Good job, citizen you have prevented WW3. Would you like to join the party?
I feel like you are an American trump support who is part of the KKK and the west baptist church...
Can it gather data from everything on your computer or just what you do in the game? I don't care as much if it's just in-game actions
If the laws gets you arrested for teaching your dog a Nazi salute, then maybe the law is anti freedom of speech and shouldn't exist.
._. fuck i need to move to deutchland
I'm European, who grew up in communist country. I know from first hand experience how a totalitarian government starts taking away freedoms.
You mean most tech companies?
Will still track, the tracking is actually part of the Unity engine; they just updated the terms, take2games is just keeping things legal.
I'm having a stronk, call a bondulance
Well you talk like a racist, homophobe, etc. Seeing as you want the ability to be able to insult people.
Stop using buzzwords you don't understand kid. Being pro freedom of speech means you have to defend the right to say things you don't like.
It's ok guys, you can get the KSP free on PirateBay. No Eula needed!
I dont get the need to be able to severely insult people. My whole life I haven't had the need to, and it has been against the law as well.
And I am completely fine with that, we have freedom of speech but it is limited if you are trying to be seriously offensive to people.
2/ A Muslim is insulted by pork a Hindu by beef. What is insulting is subjective feeling of every person.
I'm surprised you don't see him as a victim. He prefaced the entire prank saying that nazis are horrible.
Being offended and insulted is personal subjective feeling, I'm offended by this post, does it mean you should be jailed?
What are you talking about? You're not clarifying what you're reacting to, and FYI I'm taking a Masters course w/degree at University.
Then he proceeds to teach a dog the "paw" trick using a different set of sound vibrations and he deserves to be put in a cage?
Yeah how do you think us Brits feel right now
No that's exactly what it says, translated from legalese it's: "we can track you unless you're in the EU then we can't"
be collected through other interactions with the company, such as signing up for a newsletter, applying for a job, or contacting support 2/?
1. Capitalisation. 2. You probably meant you "couldn't care less" if I read your comment correctly. 3. What?
It's about what society thinks is and isn't allowed. You know, the whole basis of a democracy...
So while it's *possible* that KSP now functions as spyware, I would guess that the data they collect is volunteered by users for one 3/?
Unity keeps tracking data when offline and sends it when online. The tracking is Unity, take2games is just keeping things legal.
You still didn't clarify what you were reacting to, so you really just come across as a troll. I got nothing meaningful from you...
Transfer of any personal info...in the US and other countries located outside of the EU. In theory it does not say they can't track >>
in the EU. Point being that EU law makes this shit illegal anyway so they'd be committing suicide if they did it anyway.
Dogs don't understand words. I literally JUST tested this. I said "Heil Hitler" to my dog the same way I say "paw" and she put up her paw.
reason or another. That doesn't make sharing it less shitty, but it's (hopefully) unlikely that KSP is mining your PC for data points.. 4/4
Muslim society thinks that homosexuals/apostate/adulters should be murdered. Does it make it right? Are you gonna murder because others do?
Hitler was democratically elected, his racist and antisemitic policies were extremely popular by vast majority of German population.
Norway isn't the only European country with those features.
No it isn't. The engine is allowed to track what ever of it's own data it wants. Most online services depend on it to operate by adapting.
Addendum: "When you use products or services on internet-capable hardware...The Company will not receive personal information"
KSP was already tracking the data, take2games is just informing players so there is no legal problems.
What? The game made it to a full release, definitely not abandoned.
All are full eu members except Norway who are pretty much part members.
You own a house. Its an average house but then you built a super nice firepit. I offer to buy the house now. Are you greedy when selling?
So after comparing it to previous versions of the EULA, I'm not seeing any considerable difference, and I'm curious why everyone's concerned
i dont mind having some of my info taken but holy crap the only thing they are missing on their list is the SSN to fully have it all
You should also look into building a Pi-Hole. Best network device ever.
If governments started arresting people for being dicks, 90% of Imgur would be arrested.
Well he was arrested for being a dick.
Prior to taketwo's takeover I would have condemned this, the game is worth supporting the devs. But taketwo aren't the devs so fuck em.
Before you could opt in. Now you don't have a choice.
How is he... not the victim? He made a joke and got jailed by the government. Biggest infringement of free speech in Western Society.
Yeah, but you see he was a right-wing dick. Being a left wing dick who supports murderers like Mao, Che or Stalin is totally OK these days.
Quick FYI, 1. EULA was imposed by Take2Interactive, its in all there games. 2. if you have KSP the old EULA permits emailing them too 1/2
opt out of all feuture changes to the EULA. People have done so and the devs afirmed and said they are fighting Take2 over the new one 2/2
I have well over 3000 hours in this hame and 40 in the last week alone. I don't see what data they could be collecting while the game is...
Holy shit that's an old version of the game.
^ this. Just finished a business law course, was taught via textbook and professor that this is a common misconception. EULAs are lawful.
Running other than what mods I am running. The program doesnt access any other resourses from my pc.
£9k a year in the UK - apart from Scotland, who get it for free.
Probably? And honestly fuck taketwo. I'd pirate it if I hadn't already bought it while Squad owned it.
It seems this would only affect you if you bought the game through the website and not steam. There is no other online data to collect...
In Russia, Everything tracks you.
£9k a year in the UK.. That's not including living costs..
May not be able to do much isn't an excuse for such details getting known. Incoming pirated versions
Its just people being paranoid and uninformed...
Dumb question, but I just bought the game on PS4. Do the same rules apply or is it different?
The engine sends the data, Unity here, it is needed to operate. If you could block it the game won't work. The EULA is just a legal notice.
Exactly, the Unity engine needs that data for online services; this EULA is just a legal notice.
Yes, because all game engines need to track data for online services. The EULA is just a legal notice of this.
LOL, I should play it then. I got it on a steam sale over a year ago and barely touched it. I just get stuff on Steam sales and forget.
The EULA here is because Unity tracks data for online services. It's just a company sending a legal notice to cover them self.
not only a note, they have to allow you to disagree to the datacollection and not discriminate against you for it
KSP was already tracking data. The EULA was just a company sending a notice to cover them self. Tracking is part of Unit for online services
Low end in the us is like $15k. I know people paying $30k+
He taught his dog the nazi salute to piss off his girlfriend. That doesn't dictate his political views, just that he's a dick.
I don't think anyone would make an individual EULA version for a user who sent an email. Shitstorm, though, can lead to rework of the EULA.
anticheats in games usually scan your gamefiles and ram
Nope, all of this has been disproven many god damm times already. There is no spyware. There will never be one.
Oh boy nazi propaganda time! Hitler wasn't elected. He was appointed. Nazi party NEVER won a majority of democratic elections legitimately.
Except T2 hasn't done anything. People are just fear mongering abour the "what if"
Nope. I've seen threads talking about this. they've closey examined the code, surveyed outgoing data and no one found any such spyware
Ksp is offline feature only a d works completely drm free. You can even copy the game onto an USB and run it on another pc without steam
Ignore this imgur post. All of the fear mongering haa been disproven many times by many maany different users
Not really, this is saying they wont track me in the EU, but they dont know who and when people are in the EU when tracking. So they 1/2
Likely dont have systems in place to take care of requests to delete info and so on... there are a lot of reason this is a poor decision.2/2
Hitler was elected as member of Reichstag for the district Oberbayern. If you don't have knowledge about historical facts, don't lie kid.
He has some ties to far right wing individuals. The point is, I don't think he would be arrested and sentenced if it was about Stalin.
we really ought to be able to get a refund on the game if it changes ownership and they change the EULA.
Well that's a UK thing and not related to the rest of the EU at all.
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Yeah you see kid, the people who are jailed using holocaust denial law aren't murderers, they just don't believe holocaust happened.
£9k a year in England and Wales, I think. First degree is free in Scotland.
They could however tell us "nah m8, we didn't start collecting more data and don't plan to. that's just legalese."
Good luck. It's really hard to remove something that's not there yet. The EULA changed, but the game doesn't do any of that stuff (yet?).
Unity doesn't have online service except for game dev. No one makes a unity account to play unity games.
man I haven't played this game in years. Now I'm not going to play it again. oh well.
Upvote for awareness!
It's actually just T2s copy paste eula. Most of the stuff doesn't even apply, as it was more written to acompany things like gta games.
Disagree against _unnecessary_ data collection, yes. E.g. personalised ads. But if it's an essential part for it to work it's allowed.
People are fear mongering on ksp because T2 s screwing up badly with gta. T2 owns ksp since last year june. Nothing bad happened. Chill peps
Rabble-rabble-rabble....uh...fellas... What, umm are they going to do with my gameplay data that I'm supposed to be afraid of, exactly?
E.g. if the whole feature of something is to store your address online then you can't disagree, you just don't use it.
T2 would be the one but you're 100% right nonetheless
The eula is just a copy paste standard eula from T2. T2 will have far less negative effects on the user, than all the fear mongering.
*sew (unless your face is a seed)
You are absolutely right actually. All of the eula discussions boil down to "but evil t2 is screwing gta users"
Can we lay down the pitchforks and determine if this is a generic EULA text, or if this is specific to this publisher, developer or game. /2
I'm no law student but it's my understanding that they're lawful insofar as you're entering into a legit contract with a company, but --
2. If it is generic, we should set fire to it collectively and not batch KSP. Don't you feel that is a more logical approach?
Except that there is no spyware sending data. People habe simply been overreacting because "evil t2"
Yes, a thousand times yes
-- the terms of that contract still have to abide by the laws of both parties' respective countries. So if, for example, in my country it --
-- isn't legal for companies to collect certain kinds of data, even if it's legal in the country where the company resides, that clause --
Even if you install ksp through steam. It's still drm free. I'm running several side installs which I've copied out of the main directonary.
-- is null. Granted, 99% of the time these distinctions are basically meaningless as the time and effort needed to take it through --
"The information we collect may include personal information such are your first and/or last name, e-mail address, phone number, photo, 1/?
mailing address, geolocation, or payment information. In addition, we may collect your age, gender ,date of birth, zip code, 2/?
Fucking hell yess
hardware configuration, console ID, software products played, survey data, purchas, IP ddress and the systems you have played on." 3/3
-- arbitration *vastly* outweighs the potential damages, but that's why class-action suits exist. I got like $60 from that ordeal --
It can't. It's been beaten to death. Nothing in this post is true. It's a standart eula not tailored for ksp. There is no damm spyware
-- with the PS3 removing Linux support, but it literally took 8 years for that case to settle.
It can't scan anything as the spyware claim is nothing but fear mongering
I'd like to disagree. Most of the modding community stayed at spacedock or github. It's nice. Just ignore the "this is the end" people
Except it isn't. None of the eula talk actually has any value. It's just a standard t2 document which simply wasn't tailored for ksp
Technically they did , by opting out to be purchased by big publisher , they were independent devs before that.
Seriously. This "evil t2 will ruin everything" is just fear mongering. Everything is the same as it was before t2 bought ksp
Be an easily scared person who believes all "evil t2 will ruin everything" fear mongering
Step1 realize that all eula talk has no basis and was along, just people fear mongering and claiming "this is the end"
It's all fear mongering. It's just a standard t2 eula not tailored for ksp. T2 just existing made some search for nonexistent clues
Yep, No spyware. Just very paranoid people
Well, just some paranoid people trying to find reasons why "ksp is doomed, evil t2". Ignore these. Also get the game legit ffs
Most of the modding community stayed, because they all knew how bad Curse was. But Squad tried it anyway against the community's objection.
Ignore this post. Since t2 aquired ksp, some people gave been extra paranoid and gave tried to find all sorts of reasons n why ksp is doomed
Paranoid people trying to find reasons on why ksp is doomed. It's simply T2s reputation with GTA online
Except t2 just owns the IP. KSP itself is still developt by it's original creator, Squad
what assurance do you have for that?
Free in Poland; Krakow and Warsaw have respectable universities (for example)
Ignore op. T2s reputation had people search for any reason on why ksp is doomed.None are true.Buy the game. It's really fun. Worth the money
Sure. They would say that regardless of what they plan to do with your data. Leave it there or sell to spammers.
90€ for a year in Norway ;)
Maybe that T2 aquired ksp a year ago in june, and since then, people have been screaming "that is the end of modding".
As someone with 1399 hours into this game.... they already know everything they want to know. No sense in stopping now
So many users on the official ksp forum have gone through all of it. None found any serious data regarding that.It's all just paranoid users
Imagine having distributed ecosystem, event sourcing and a lot of backups.
I don't think they're going to ruin KSP, I just hate them as a company.
Don't have the right to? Isn't that what everybody made fun of the anti-Net Neutrality assholes for? "We want to fuck you but won't, promise
Technically they didn't tho.
Well, ksp took many reputation hits on it's shop page, just because T2 "exists". Ksp is still a great game.
Please hold out until we sort our shit out, and watch those far-right groups. Thanks. - an American.
If you dont understand why we fear nazis and their ideas, then you dont see human nature as i see it. Humankind must be wary.
that seems irrelevant, we're talking about a eula stating all personal information can be gathered and distributed, even publically
It's actually been disproven many times and the whole EULA talk had died down weeks ago. Dunno why it's making a come back
gone through what, the collected data?
It really is just a generic copy paste eula. Most doesn't even apply to ksp.
Gone through the games code. Observed all outgoing data.
I honestly think so. If they are so disconnected from reality and want to kill innocents so badly. They should be jailed.
And? This eula only says if you willingly give them your data via servives like rockstaronline.It's a standart T2 eula, not tailored for ksp
This person actually mocked Nazism by teaching his dog to salute. Nazis actually wanted to eliminate someone for same reason.
Okay. It pissed off some nazis. Its still a nazi greeting. Its still a bad thing, just because one of them dislikes it does not redeem it.
I'm very doubtful of that
But it is
but it is still the eula for KSP. and I dont see such stipulations of using specific services, just says they can collect data
And you aren't doubtful that people can simply be overreacting because of the "what if".I don't trust trump. But he hasn't started WWIII yet
Tell me how and why with other words than "evil t2"
not really a what if, it's clearly stated.
It says they can. Which google, YouTube, imgur, facebook android, windows, ios, Apple and every single website in existence can do.
"Because they could" alone isn't a good argument. And it's been proven many times that there is no spyware.
Well. I'm sure its more affordable there. Some EU countries have it free but don't think for everyone.
yes, and they very much do
Question. Is there a site that compares EU medical prices to US prices to promote medical tourism?
its actually funny you'd bring up facebook as an example of being responsible with personal data
I’ve been dreading the day when KSP gets taken over by something other than squad and it ‘finally’ fucking came
That was my intention. T2 just didn't care enough to specifically manufacture a ksp eula.
Yes and the swastika is used to signify balance and harmony in Buddhism and used to celebrate genocide by the nazis. Come on bud.
My point is, you already are willingly giving away data. Via the internet.But in this specific case,it's just a sentence to cover their butt
Simplified it reads "we have the permission to store your personal data which you gave us, and you can't sue us if someone steals that data"
Where does it say that they can steal your data from a game where you have nowhere to input your personal data.
If you buy it via the ksp store, then you view willingly gave them some of your personal data. If you buy it via steam.Then it has your data
Even if they cold take your data. How should they. Games are not allowed to acces anything outside their game directory.
it doesnt say steal, it says they can give it out
The eula isn't Even enforceable if you where to come to that.
you seem to be doing my job for me of how they get your personal data
Which data. Where can you login in ksp. If you don't use ksp store and official ksp forums, then you haven't willingly given any data
Where'd you get your law degree, University of Talkingoutmyass? EULAs are legally binding contracts.
Exactly, they used plenty of things. You're saying we should jail people just because he used something Nazis did. Which is idiotic argument
Collecting usage data is nothing new, but it basically gives them legal ability to do whatever they want with that data, like sell it.
Im cool with collecting usage data, but not cool with it potentially being sold or otherwise used outside of the company collecting it.
Seriously. Is there any argument other than "they could" do the thing
The fact that you spread false information and try to defend it afterwards by attacking other people speaks volumes about yours.
But not if you block on firewall rite? Or will it? Shit
Take2 owns Rockstar (GTA series)
Transferring data outside the EU isn't a violation of the GDPR. In fact, it's a requirement of the GDPR that they inform you. The data does
need to be secured to the same standards, however, regardless of the laws of the country they transfer it to.
from link: "handing out pamphlets"-this is not just her 'opinion' anymore, it is trying to get others to deny the holocaust. hence, jail.
See my previous replies. tl;dr EULAs are legal contracts, but clauses that don't fully abide by all parties' governing laws are null
You cannot sign your rights away, period. If you sign a contract to be my slave, it is not legally binding because slavery is not legal.
I genuinely feel sorry for you if you think you need a law degree to speak about these things, though. You should know your rights.
I've been following KSP since 2011, first I've heard anything about stolen code. Care to elaborate? (By pm is fine if you prefer)
yeah but nobody outside of poland accepts "degrees" from poland.
from KSP website"We have very exciting news to share with the KSP community today: Take-Two Interactive has purchased Kerbal Space Program"
as KSP was "self published game" holder of the copyrights (developers) made choice to sell it to big publisher and so they did
He is using it to celebrate the nazis and their actions. You must be able to see the difference.
Oh boy, Take-Two also owns Rockstar so here's hoping Red Dead 2 doesn't have this.
Great to support small creators, fuck the bureaucrats who ruin games.
You didn't clarify on what he should educate himself. Telling him that he is wrong without saying where or what isn't helpfull
Handing out leaflets of your opinions is still expressing your opinion. Should people handing out communist pamphlets also go to jail?
No he isn't. Have you even seen the video or are you just making high horse judgement without actually making any research?
Before the first time you opened an install it asked you if you wanted to send data to squad, as of 1.4, that no longer happens
That's unfortunate, because it having a poor reputation will turn people away who might otherwise enjoy it.
Yup, I generally only support smaller IPs as a rule. Taketwo isn't the only offender, nor the worst, but I dislike them nonetheless.
But it does tell me something important, at least. SOMEONE reads the EULA. And better they be slightly paranoid than blase.
You even need to accept terms to read the fucking wiki are you kidding me.
always upvoting for ksp anyway
They said that it can be sold in those countries if you read the whole paragraph. It has nothing to do with where it is gathered from.
Oh my, I've never seen it's reviews go down to mostly negative!
You can believe whatever stupid shit you want. Voicing it out is a different thing. Especially when you prefer opinion over historical facts
Welcome to freedom of speech for grown ups, where stupid and vile shit you say can have consequences. Just like everything else in life.
Ah, okay. That makes sense since we all know Finland isn't officially canon.
Yeah, it is. Used to be £3k for Wales until recently.
£9k per year for England and Wales. Plus living costs.
But they also will just collect your info anyway and settle whenever they have to.
Clearly stated where?
Exactly. The number of people who'll read the EULA, know their rights, AND go through the trouble of seeking damages is almost always zero
Freedom of speech by definition means you are not prosecuted for your expressions by the government. Welcome to human freedoms 101.
You cannot believe what you want. Not believing in right God is illegal in many countries in the world. Do you want to live there?
that's why the "for grown ups" caveat. welcome to words and meanings
Are you a fan of totalitarian countries? Like China or North Korea? You should love it there. It's full of grown ups who share your views.
hmmm the 50K per breach can ruin them in a matter of days. doubt they are willing to play blink with EU privacy regulation
What's shitting me though is I didn't buy a Take2 game, yet I'm forced to accept the EULA or kiss goodbye to the money I spent on it.
Ah yes. Because we decided that historical facts are indeed objective facts we've created a totalitarian regime... Weirdo
I'm from a totalitarian country which jailed and persecuted for having different opinions than official *facts*. You seem to support it.
Your country is corrupt. Plain and simple. Mine knows how fragile democracy is and decided to protect it against those who try to destroy it
like holocaust-deniers. In our country those are 101% of the time neonazis, altnazis or some other alternative name for nazis.
Every country is corrupt because it's full of corruptible people. Grow up kid. Freedom of speech is one of few tools you have to fight it.
I'm all grown up friend. I'm active in politics, I'm a legal scholar and most importantly I'm a free citizen of my nation. I'm good.
If a 90y old senile lady who denies holocaust is a danger to your country, there is something very wrong with your society.
It's your first whatever really. Your first HNC, HND, Undergrad, Masters (though that depends on the programme whether it covers all of it).
Cool story. Now educate yourself about history and political ideologies, you are apparently completely ignorant in those areas.
Hands down, KSP is the best game I have ever played. I hate what they have done. I will still play it.
Oh yeah I forgot I was going to play that, thanks for the reminder....wait spyware? Ah well nothing to hide
The good old ad hominem and dehumanising someone because you disagree with them. Ofc all I say must be lies because you don't believe it
You started with condescending. And Nowhere I've said that holocaust didn't happen. I just don't agree with jailing for different opinions.
The game is not collecting your data tho, so the EULA is irrelevant.
False, it doesn't HAVE to send any data. Else you couldn't play the game while offline, which I did many times.
We don't jail people for different opinions. We jail them for denying objective facts and the circumstances of those facts. Context is key.
This would be in direct opposition to GDPR which just became law across Europe.
KSP got bought by Take2, this is Take2s standard EULA. Don't cry "wolf" before you know it's there, the game ain't collecting shit!
Denying *facts* is having a different opinion. Do you also jail communists? Christians? Muslims? For denying crimes of their ideology?
How exactly is saying holocaust didn't happen = incitement to hatred and calling violence against them?
It's just a standard eula. If the EULA says "we're not responsible if this game breaks your PC" then it doesn't mean that it WILL break it.
And fact is that they AREN'T collecting data.
Remember when you told me to read up on ideologies and history? If you want to understand why my people decided this way: read up on nazis
again: CONTEXT IS KEY. Holocaust denial is not a simple idea, it's a political expression. Might be hard to comprehend if you're not german
Definitely a blanket EULA that apparently comes with free tinfoil hats.
That's going to be funny with the new DSGVO...
I completely understand why Germany has it. This is not what we are debating the whole time. We are debating if it RIGHT to have it.
Denying it is a downplaying of the nazis at least, who destroyed our first democracy, at worst it's motivated in hate against people.
Which data? The game ain't collecting shit, aside from the crash reporter and if you OPT INTO sending anonymous telemetry gubbins.
And political expression is an opinion. You are jailing people for expressing opinion. It is stupid opinion, but it shouldnt be persecuted.
Just look up "how to block exe in firewall" or something along those lines. Tutorials should make it fairly easy 1/?
That is your issue? Well easy, yes. Our people decided for this to be law to prevent our democracy from ever being threatened by nazis etc
That's not an argument. Southern US states democratically decided to make Negroes slaves. Their people decided it. Does it make it RIGHT?
But otherwise, open up advanced settings [in firewall menu], go to outbound rules, click KSP, hit "add new rule", then browse to find 2/?
KSP, hit next, and then "block the connection" should show up. Hit next, make sure all 3 boxes (public, private, domain) are checked 3/?
Give your rule a funny name, and smash dat finish button. 4/4
We decided that it is right and still agree with it. We do it to protect our democracy and freedom, for us and for the future generations.
And CSA decided it was right to make Negroes slaves, Nazis decided it was right to murder Jews. Saying it is right, doesn't make it right.
We also prevent slavery and the humiliation of parts of our population. Your argument is ignorant and stupid to an immeasureable degree.
Read my extended answer. This is all I'm going to say. There's no point in discussing this with someone who is either ignorant or radical
How old are you kid? You keep using labeling ad homs when you don't have arguments. My family has been victims of you Germans in WW2, growup
How exactly is someone saying holocaust didn't happen humiliating parts of your population or even enslaving people?
So you're trying to say that denying holocaust *COULD* lead to holocaust. Guess what, legal system doesn't work on speculations.
You know it's funny how your country sells weapons to regimes like Saudi Arabia which enslaves, while on other hand pretending to be moral.
Lol if I'm not willing to read the terms and conditions on my own what makes you think I'll read this without a TL;DR?
I did some research on my own. Seems that the same EULA is used for both GTA V and KSP. 1/?
As you can see there is also a ton of stuff about virtual currencies and virtual goods in the KSP EULA that is superfluous. 3/?
I'm guessing the "Spyware" part of the EULA is also superfluous for KSP and is just there for the GTA V side of things.
I followed some advice I saw, made rules to block outgoing connections for the game's .exe, so if it did try to send anything out, it can't.
DAMN IT I have this game this is so FKed up :(
Is that the possible maximum, or the applied sentence in a case?
I'm mainly speaking from my experience of various multinational companies that actively encourage accountants they hire to do very, very
illegal stuff in exchange for bonuses. Several French companies in the Uk, for instance, aggressively encourage tax avoidance.
HEY! I take ... no offense to that... do carry on
We are still part of the EU.
This is actually against the law now in the EU due to gdpr
Basically sell it so you can get loads of spam, but it's also an identity thief's wet dream, better pray they NEVER get hacked.
Oops, was supposed to be a reply to the comment above this one.
Depends where you live. It'd probably hold up in a US court, I've seen wins based solely on EULA's and similar before.
If you could block it the online part of the game can't work. Tracking is a core part of any online service.
The online part can't work. Any online service needs to talk and listen. The offline works but once you try ANY online thing data passes
I'd kept KSP pegged at 1.3 for RSS, looks like it's staying there.
Which "online part"? KSP has no online functionality.
I believe that's the thing you can opt IN to in KSP when you first boot up the game.
Any time a developer publishes, uses a Unity service it tracks the data, part of this is for the engine and so they know your player count.
Unity needs the data, not having it causes bugs and problems. You can play offline but it stores the data in a unity pack file, then updates
At the start KSP allowed opting but this was only for there own made stuff, opting was removed when they realized both Steam and Unity 1/2
tracks data. Yet for some reason they never had a EULA, but now with take2games taking over, they can't just track without telling players.
Oops, I see I did. To be clear, the game was tracking players. The developers have no choice in this, many modern engines don't allow choice
The agreement allows them to collect pretty much any data.
Yes, I can read, thanks. But the game doesn't actually collect all that. It's a blanket agreement because you cqn enter your own text in
textboxes, so crash reports may contain any data you type into, say, your rocket description, and they don't know what you type in there.
So they cover their asses because some people COULD launch the USS [Social Security Number].
Gathering user data and user sticking his data into random places is obviously different things. And EULA has not cover the case when //
user types his sensitive data into random places. Concerning ass covering it is your own ass what should concern you. It you take it //
easily and make your contract counterparts too much rights just for sympathy, sooner or later find some foreign object in your own cavity.
Again: They're not actively gathering your private information. But crash logs may contain what you wrote in text fields, which MIGHT be
Ok. Do you realize that nazism, apology of genocides, anything that can harm another is against the law ?
Do you realize, in your tiny brain, that it outweighs freedom of speech ? That if anybody had the right to say anything harmful anytime,
there would be 100 times as more conflicts ? Right, freedom of speech should be unattainable, but when it comes to harm others, you can't
just go on with it. You have to pay at one point. And nazi salutes, praising genocides, is harmful in many ways. Should be severely punished
I hope YOU are joking. He did not invent anything on this. And it's easy to defend oneself saying "it's just a prank, bro!"
If your whole family died in a camp and some guy went next to you and made a nazi salute, would you not want to punch him in the face ?
You really live up to your username
Should do this
Uhhhh this applies to information you give the game. This is silly.
They can basically see your entire PC presence if they so choose to. And unless you do some hardcore 'tree' cutting in the OS you're 1/2
never clean. Basically, in something like w8.1 unless you idle 24h at 22 processes0CPUsomewhere below 18% of 8gig you're being probed. 2/2
SOLUTION: Windows firewall, new outbound rule, nuke the whole package from KSP. Also, rule of thumb, install an outbound watcher.
Ever wondered how you get spam? Clean title gmail, one game i forgot to firewall. Now i'm getting Namibia princesses.
Corporate shouldn't be allowed to exist in the capacity it does. There should be strict rules that ban all "buy out of mediocrity" 1/2
methods that BigCorp like EA, Apple, Alphabet inc/Google practice. They are a disease on modern day society. 2/2
You believe he was an actual nazi and was trying to spread nazi ideas by teaching a pug to hold up its paw when it heard "Heil Hitler"?
(2) sure it's a joke in bad taste but does that justify calling men with guns to put him in a cage? No.
Did you pay attention to whom I was replying? I'm replying about why we should care to someone who seemed to think sharing doesn't matter.
Yeah, but it's ridiculous to take the leaving member as the example of the EU in it's entirety.
no, but people who hand out pamphlets saying that the communists never commited war crimes should definitely go to jail as well.
But for how loooonnnng?!
I highly doubt that Unity purposefully cripples itself if it can't go online.
They could not? Yeah.
Yeah and after selling they're not responsible for what the new owner does.
Maybe answer my questions on how they gonna steal my data.You can't input any personal data in ksp itself,other than spacecraft descriptions
Wait, Nevermind my question, You're a different user with a similar looking username.
No, I don't resort to violence when I feel deeply insulted. And you analogize the context of his joke to the extreme. Go away.
So much for speech of freedom. I won't tell you to shut up or go away. I'm not like that.
freedom of speech dang it's the other way 'round
Speech of freedom? My first amendment only protects me from my government. Anyone else is free to tell me to shut the hell up, and viceversa
Clearly you haven't had the chance to try Unity yet. The engine cripples it'self with it's own Utility tools. It's why Modo grows so fast.
* Godot, keep confusing those two, sorry. Unity's 2018 update tries to fix this but fails, it did improve the math so that's nice. :)
I was adding to your statement.
2ish more years.
Thanks! I'll check it out.
Yeah didn't they say that like 2 years ago?
No, they said it would take about 4 years 2 years ago.
"My first amendment only protects me from ..." Pardon my french but you can take your american pride and put it up where the sun don't shine
Under GDPR organizations in breach of GDPR can be fined up to 4% of annual global turnover or €20 Million (whichever is greater).
Highest penalty isn't always applied, and I question how applicable this is. There always a way to worm out.
I am not really a lawyer, but the law seems pretty watertight. if they fail to uphold any of the regulations, they get a fine.
lul. Yes, contracts cannot override law. But a EULA is still a legally binding contract, no matter what you think. Go consult a lawyer.
...? The only "freedom of speech" I'm granted as an American is a promise by my government to never arrest me for saying words it doesn't
agree with. It doesn't protect anyone from being told to "shut up," so I don't know why you keep bringing it up. Then you said my American
pride? In what sense at all was I being prideful? It sounds like you're a butthurt kid and lashing out in any way you can think of, sensical
or not. So please, shut the fuck up.
Ah. Sorry, that wasn't clear to me.
Again I feel the most of the stuff in EULAs are just to put a blanket from liability. I would really doubt if Squad was selling data
Why would we want to promote medical tourism?
He got acquitted, no jail time, and he's appealing the fine with money earned through crowdfunding. He's doing fine actually.
Might want to read further on that since he's been acquitted of all jail time and is appealing the fine he received with crowdfunded money.
Even so, the fact that it got so much traction that law enforcement got involved is the sad part.
Well it's set a precedent, so it's good it got that traction.
If you get a fine you weren't acquitted.
Good thing my comment said acquitted of jail time then otherwise I'd be a big stinky liar.
"acquitted of jail time" isn't a thing. You're either acquitted or you're not.
Pedantics but ok. He wasn't served jail time, and is appealing his fine with crowd funding.
That's not appealing a fine. That's just getting other people to pay for it.
-_-... He isn't paying the fine, he's hiring lawyers to appeal it to set a precedent against it happening in the future. Read.
That it's ok to arrest someone for making an obvious joke even after he explained the joke before he made it?
That you have no control over your intentions anymore People decide your intent for you because obviously they know you better than yourself
That he didn't get any jail time was fined £800 for hate speech and is appealing the fine in court. It's hardly a police state.
What's crazy is that the person he pranked, didn't even press any charges, random strangers over the internet got this man arrested
Random strangers over the internet also crowdfunded his appeal funds, so its not all bad. Calm down.
It's not about that. It's about people not respecting free speech. Even if he was trying to promote nazis, so what? Everyone knows no one(1)
(2) likes nazis. So his propaganda wouldn't really go far. It' the free market of ideas. A lot of people need to take a psychology class
(3) I think a lot of this stems from lack of trust in others. No one trusts others to be decent people, instead they just attack everyone.
The UK doesn't have free speech the way you are thinking. The fact it went to court is ridiculous, but its also been fought.
He never got jail time, got fined £800, but people crowdfunded over £80,000 to fight the verdict to set a precedent that is isnt ok.
Because the healthcare prices in the US are extremely high, and their prices are low. That way they lose customers and have to compete.
But they are low because we pay taxes every month, why would we want people to come and take advantage of that system?
Because they're still paying, and could actually pay more than locals. As long as its not thousands of dollars for the smallest things.
The entire point of our healthcare system is that it is for everyone despite means. It would go against the point (1)
To advertise medical treatment for money.
So letting US citizens get healthcare they need for less than they'd get at home isn't part of it?
Well you aren't paying the taxes towards it, so why should you get the benefits of the system?
But in a nutshell
To make people healthy, to help keep people out of debt, we're still paying and could pay more. 1 aspirin pill is $30. Our system is broken.
Well, I dunno, rather than trying to piggy back on other peoples systems, why not fight to fix yours?
Its complicated. Its for-profit, and anyone who can fix it, won't. Admins, Agency, Incumbents, Insurance; there's no benefit for them.
except you have 10s of million in population that could get together and fight it. But internet fueled laziness for protest.
Fighting is hard. The population doesn't have enough influence. We can't agree if or how to fight it. Like I said, complicated.
Well, in my opinion if someone is in this country and needs medical attention, of course they should receive it. But we shouldn't advertise.
Makes it for profit and defeats the purpose.
I had to reevaluate your point. You don't want any EU country trying to advertise their hospitals to Americans, is that correct?
I don't want EU countries advertising for profit healthcare to anyone, no.
1.They don't have have for-profit systems 2.Citizens aren't freeloading 3.A US company would advertise because our system sucks. Concerns?
Our healthcare systems do not advertise to anyone as it is, why would they advertise to Americans on a for profit basis. Makes no sense.
By advertising healthcare to other countries citizens for them to come here and spend money goes against the very core point of it all.
You're not advertising. You're not becoming for-profit. Just accepting patients from a foreign country.
This whole conversation has been you saying that out hospitals should *advertise* to Americans to come and *pay* less for healthcare.
No, this is a misunderstanding. Hospitals are not advertising at all. Just accepting foreign patients.
Yeah, and if someone is racist in Eurpe, they get 6 months prison and 25 000 euros fine. That is maximum penalty, not always applied penalty
They already do accept foreign patients. If they are in the country and require emergency care.
Then what's to stop them from just doing that more often, and all the other standard stuff?
I find it incredibly weird that you don't see the issue with this. It's kind of telling of the capitalistic climate youve grown up in.
And you keep using the word "advertising" as if I'm trying to suddenly change England into a corrupted mess.
I'm actually fed up with this conversation cause it's just going round in circles. Good luck with your healthcare system.
I noticed it was going in circles a while back.I don't expect it to get better until we cut military spending for healthcare.Its Complicated
Ooook.... And what are they going to do with that that affects me? Why should I care?
Spam email is a myth. Who gets spam email anymore?
The "Payment Information" is the easiest one to point out, since it could easily include your credit card number.
The others have their uses, such as priming a password guesser for common things, like appending the last two digits of your birth year
Credit card numbers are encrypted and not shared. And if you have a password that's guessable, then you're an idiot.